The new DRDO chief is optimistic on the progress of the LCA and
missile programmes and keen on securing technology transfer and access
to raw materials
Avinash Chander, chief architect of India’s Agni series of
missiles, took over as Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister and
Director-General of the Defence Research and Development Organisation
(DRDO) on May 31, succeeding V.K. Saraswat.
Dr. Chander, who played a key role in the successful development of
the 5,000-km-range Agni-V, joined the DRDO in 1972 after graduating as
an electrical engineer from IIT Delhi.
In an interview to The Hindu, the new DRDO chief speaks about
key projects like the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the future of India’s
missile programme, denial of high-end technology to India and the need
for increased R&D efforts. Excerpts from the interview:
On the LCA project
The LCA is going well. We said the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) 2
will be completed by this year end. IOC 2 is progressing very well and
in spite of bad weather a number of sorties have taken place. HAL team
is working well along with the Air Force and a very well integrated
operation is going on. We are very confident that IOC 2 will be
completed on time. The Final Operational Clearance is slated for
2014-end. Meanwhile, production will start from this year onwards and we
expect that the first aircraft will roll out in 2014. Right now, we
have orders from the Indian Air Force for 40, in 20-plus-20 option. The
naval version of LCA is also going on well, Prototype Version (PV) 1 and
PV2 are getting integrated, and PV1 should be completed by this year
end.
On the project’s cost overrun
The cost of LCA is a small fraction of what an F-15 costs. We have
developed one of the lowest costing aircraft. We are confident that the
LCA will be able to compete very well in performance as well as on cost
basis with equivalent aircraft. It will be comparable to Gripen
aircraft. The day we start thinking about LCA, you cannot start putting
cost on it.
On the missile programme
Agni V is moving ahead. Agni IV and V both are going to be inducted in
the next couple of years. We will be going for user trials of Agni IV
which has a range of 4,000 km and Agni V which has a range of 5,000 km.
Then we are going for Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LRSAM.) and its
trials are going to take place in Israel very soon. Astra air-to-air
missile programme is also going very well. Astra will be going for the
Sukhoi SU-30 launch by this year end. Nag — we had very good tests for
seekers also recently, we are confident that Nag will also be able to
meet performance requirements of the users in the very severe
environmental conditions of the Indian desert. We are also working on
futuristic, new long-range surface-to-air missiles of 250 to 300 km
range. We are working on multi-range missiles, also on short-range
surface-to-air missile. The aim is to become globally competitive in
terms of missile accuracy, lethality and range.
On tactical missiles like Prahar
Prahar will go for user trial shortly, this year. Prahar is a good
[surface-to-surface] system with a range of 140 km. It will have an
accuracy of two metres and that is a very vital addition. We are also
enhancing the range of Pinaka rockets from the existing 40 km to 60 km
for Pinaka mark II. Prahar will be the third layer to cover up to 140
km, which is a very potent layer.
Comparison with Chinese missiles
In terms of technology and performance, Indian missile systems are
comparable with any other system in the world, including whatever our
neighbours have — comparable and better also in some cases. Total
variety and ranges of the systems are decided based on each country’s
individual requirements, how they see the threat and their role in the
global scenario. The extent of the arsenal may differ but what we have
is comparable with the best.
On India’s quest for high-end technology
For high-end technology, nobody in the world will help you. We have to
have our own initiative. This is one area where the country needs to
give a lot more thrust. For example, the material gap — on metallic
composites or carbon composites or polymeric materials, even sensors,
rare earth materials — has been identified as the key area where we need
to take up initiatives. Today we have become highly self-sufficient and
capable in designing world-class systems whether it is radars,
missiles, or sonars, but what we need to strengthen is the sub-system
and the components, devices and the raw materials. For the Agni
strategic system where we had no option to import, we have gone
85-per-cent indigenous. But similar things have to be done in other
areas such as tactical missiles. We require tungsten and other materials
which India does not produce. We have to take extra initiative in terms
of investment and technology, infrastructure, knowledge generation.
On the role of private sector
Private sector is providing the infrastructure and in many cases they
are joining hands with industries abroad but a lot more needs to be done
in the private sector in the R&D department. If you see the
industrial R&D in the U.S., it is almost 50 per cent of the total
R&D expenditure, whereas in India it is very meagre part of it. And
most of it is perhaps ceremonial.
On FDI in defence
Let good technology come in, there is no harm. We are not opening up just to get money.
On indigenisation and licensed production
In today’s globalised environment, we have to see what needs to be
bought, what needs to be developed and what needs to have transfer of
technology. You cannot afford to make everything yourself. It is neither
viable nor cost effective in the long-term — and that is where the
decision has to be taken.
For example, today in DRDO, if industry can make something, it’s a good
thing. We don’t want to start developing [the same thing]. [We] can work
on the next higher end products, the higher level of technology. The
industry also has to see if something [it is developing] is commercially
available at a cheaper price. Life-cycle costs are the critical part.
It is not just one-time buying of one thing, the question is how are you
going to support it and whether support will be available under all
conditions.
For licensed production, if we are able to get good technology that is
good. But if it ends with assembling and processes coming from abroad,
then we have to see. Again, licensed production for MiGs helped in
creating a large infrastructure base and today we are able to go for LCA
and other things. To that extent, it has been very helpful. But if you
look at the knowledge gained through licensed products, it is a matter
of debate. I am not aware of any major system for which we have taken
licensed production and then built on it and arrived at a better
product. We keep building the same thing, we are not getting the
knowledge to build a better system — that is why our licensed production
methodologies have to be re-examined. China is doing intelligent
reverse engineering and many countries have done that in the past. That
is the way of moving forward.
The Hindu